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Fagner (footballer, born 1990)

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Looks like a WP:SPORTCRIT/WP:GNG failure. Only played 122 minutes in Japan and has no usable sources in that Wikipedia. Returned to Brazil to only be a bit-part player there too. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nicole White

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WP:BLP of an activist and unelected political candidate, not properly sourced as having a strong claim to passing inclusion criteria.
The attempted notability claim as a politician is that she was the first out LGBTQ candidate in a provincial election in her province, while the notability claim as an activist is that she was one of the several people who challenged Saskatchewan's marriage laws in the short time between Halpern and the Civil Marriage Act. But as always, candidates do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates, and have to show that they were already notable for other reasons independently of the candidacy.
However, the "first LGBTQ candidate" thing is completely unreferenced and unverified (and note that we have seen more than one case in the past of people who were claimed as "first member of X minority group to do a thing" who turned out, upon investigation, to have been preceded by other people the article's creator just hadn't heard of, so we can't just take random internet users' word for it without sourcing), so that's not an instant notability freebie that would exempt her from having to pass WP:GNG on her sourcing — and it's questionable whether it would even be all that historically significant even if it were verifiable, given that her province had already elected at least two out LGBTQ municipal councillors (and one MLA who admittedly wasn't out at the time but came out later) before her.
Meanwhile, the same-sex marriage lawsuit is referenced solely to a brief glancing namecheck of her existence in a magazine article about the overall case, rather than any significant coverage devoted specifically to her own personal role in it, and the rest of the referencing here consists entirely of primary sources that aren't support for notability at all. And, for added bonus, none of the other plaintiffs in the lawsuit have Wikipedia articles at all (not even the one who was also one of the city councillors whose time in office preceded White's campaign), and this article does absolutely nothing to demonstrate that White was somehow more individually notable than any of the others. And even on a WP:BEFORE search, about all I can find is a small blip of WP:BLP1E coverage upon her recent reception of an award that still isn't highly meganotable enough to confer an instant notability freebie in and of itself on a person who's otherwise poorly sourced.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have a stronger notability claim, and better sourcing for it, than this. Bearcat (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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IZ Aquarii

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Fails WP:NASTRO. Unfortunately the proposed deletion was removed, which i didn't expected for such an obscure article, but this star is not brighter than Mv +6 and is not in the HR catalogue as well, hence does not pass the first criterion. 21 Andromedae (talk) 19:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sabrina Colie

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No sources are suitable. Not notable . BigManBiggerFrog (talk) 18:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Brahuistan

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This page no have sources and this page just for fun,Brhaui peoples known as Baloch and Balochistani himself for that see Dr. Mahrang Baloch from langove tribe with Brahui ethnolinguistic and was Born in Mangocher of Kalat zone that in this article nominated for imaginary Brahuistan But she never said that she is from Brahuistan and never said Brahuistan is a region She also known her as a Baloch and Balochistani and never was a region with Brahuistan name in Khanate of Kalat documents Moshtank (talk) 18:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep – A well sourced article from published works though it has a couple of citation needed tags. The nominator's claims "This page no have sources and this page just for fun" is in WP:POV fashion and their refer to Mahrang Baloch is completely irrelevant here for the nomination cause. It seems they have not done WP:BEFORE or may be (as a new user) they are not aware of it. MŠLQr (talk) 19:37, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2016–17 Młoda Liga

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Fails to meet the requirements set forth by WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Relies exclusively on primary sources and is being used as simply a database for standings and scores. WP:NOTSTATS. There is no indication of significant coverage of this topic. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:52, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Notaoffensivename (talk) 19:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fredrick Muyia Nafukho

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Requested by individual Maomulma (talk) 06:18, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: According to whom? I see nothing on this article's talk page. I see nothing on the nom's talk page or the creator's talk page. Short of the subject dropping a verified UTRS request (or a substantive challenge to the subject's notability), there are no grounds to sustain a deletion, and the nom has failed to make one. Ravenswing 21:50, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

comment I presume that the subject himself wants the article deleted? Is there evidence of this? However, I see a substantial GS profile with an h-index of 49 which easily clear WP:NPROF but the article does have some issues and needs cleanup, but I do not see a reason for deletion. --hroest 20:22, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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MJ Hibbett

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Seems like a nice chap, but not notable.

The external sources are two 20-year-old listicles that mention him in passing alongside a number of acts that don’t have their own pages, the rest are his own website/tweets/self-produced content.

No clear evidence of charting songs/awards/other significant recognition.

His most popular songs & videos never cracked 100,000 views on YouTube, with the majority below 1,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchantiophyta (talk • contribs) 02:29, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment He went on to lead the group MJ Hibbett & the Validators. AllMusic staff written album reviews here, here, and here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:MUSICBIO#1. As well as the Allmusic coverage cited above, and the references presently in the article, there's an RS critical review from the BBC here, and many hits on ProQuest such as this one. ResonantDis_tortion 23:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Grateful Dead Archive

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The archive lacks significant independent coverage establishing notability beyond its existence as a university collection. Most sources are affiliated with UCSC. Mooonswimmer 16:26, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I found some mentions in sources (not already cited in the article) such as the book Ink on the Tracks: Rock and Roll Writing, the 2015 article The Grateful Dead Archive in Music Reference Services Quarterly, or the book Reading the Grateful Dead: A critical survey. I suggest demoting the article to a stub, incorporate these sources, and update it with newer information. Afonso Dimas Martins (talk) 17:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I have been able to find multiple sources with SIGCOV, though I agree the article needs an update. There is in depth coverage of the archive's provenance in local news: [1]. Also coverage of the archive museum in SFGate: [2]. The Atlantic article on the potential value of the archive to scholars studying Grateful Dead culture: [3]. More from NPR about the potential value of the archive: [4].

I have to imagine there is at least one Deadhead editor on Wikipedia that would be willing to update this article. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 20:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Parakev Arsenov

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCURLING. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I can't find any Bulgarian coverage at all. It looks like NCURLING has changed since the last AfD. Previously, just participating in a World Curling Federation event was enough but now a medal is required. In any case, I think GNG should be the most important consideration here. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:22, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete stub article with only 1 source which is just a stat sheet Scooby453w (talk) 19:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dudu-Osun

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Appears to be a brand-specific promotional fork of African black soap. Almost all the references are about black soap itself, and this page routinely uses general black soap references to make specific claims about the brand. Thought about g11 speedy delete but this one looks just real enough to possibly escape a speedy delete. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 08:22, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Clearly notable. I can find many sources that are not included in the article. Shoerack (talk) 19:51, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I tried, mostly what I was finding were product pages but in the last few months Google has changed their algorithm so if you search for something that can be bought, you’ll only see product listings. Mind sharing some of what you found? If this passes GNG I’ll withdraw it. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 20:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Sources like 1 and 2 provide enough coverage to establish notability for the soap. Ambrosiawater (talk) 04:34, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The first source you listed is more about black soap generally, the author just used dudu-osun specifically. Without a broader context, i.e. comparison to other black soaps, this does not rise to the level of a product review that can establish notability in my opinion. For instance, this could not be used to establish notability of the manufacturer under the guidelines of WP:PRODUCTREV. The second article is focused on lotion, not the soap with only brief reference to the soap it does not really meet the definition of SIGCOV for establishing GNG. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 19:55, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with your assessment. Source #1 reads: I did some research and ordered a bar of what appeared to be the best basic brand out there — Tropical Naturals Dudu Osun Black Soap.; so this satisfies PRODUCTREV#1 and same goes for two and the third article I found also. While not a policy, three sources are usually used to establish GNG. I would also love to add that the authors are talking about African black soap with Dudu-Osun as an example (PRODUCTREV?). I wouldn’t want it to seem like I’m bludgeoning the process but I just the clarification is needed. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 01:45, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This from Legit.ng and two other sources found by Ambrosiawater is enough to satisfy notability. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 05:27, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think this article should be treated with great caution for establishing notability. Most of its claims about the soap are not verifiable. About 1/2 of the bullet points are not about the brand of soap either, but African black soaps more generally. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 20:06, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to African black soap. I have not been able to find clearly reliable sources that discuss this specific product in depth. Most discuss African black soaps more generally. This seems to be the most accessible African black soap to writers in Europe or the US making it a bit of a default choice. Unless articles with WP:SIGCOV discussing this specific soap in the context of soaps/African black soaps can be found it would be best to redirect.Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 20:10, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’m sorry and I don’t want to sound uncivil but this doesn’t make sense: “This seems to be the most accessible African black soap to writers in Europe or the US making it a bit of a default choice.”. A product that is being used as a landmark is not notable enough to you? Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 01:47, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to African black soap. Agree with the above, and with nom's assessment that this is a promotional pov-fork. -- asilvering (talk) 07:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - [5] [6] and [7] meets WP:PRODUCTS with precedent for brand articles like Lux Soap [[8]] and WP:GNG for coverage on these sites (Pulse Nigeria, Legit.ng, and Good Health Academy). Editz2341231 (talk) 14:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Siita Sofo Hissan

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Highly promotional bio; subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Sources are a mix of WP:PRIMARYSOURCE official bios ([9], [10]) press releases from his organization ([11]) and a few churnalism articles about his organization (not WP:SIGCOV of him that read like press releases ([12], [13], [14], [15]), and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs ([16]). A WP:BEFORE search turns up some more content, all of it highly promotional and likely to be based on press releases. For example, this one is described as press release by GhanaWeb and reprinted in ModernGhana with promotional fluff like In a tale woven with accolades, Siita Sofo Prince...emerges as a catalyst for change and empowerment. And this article in DailyGuideNetwork is also reprinted in ModernGhana, with similar over-the-top statements and apparently based entirely on quotes from the subject. All told, I'm not seeing any WP:SIGCOV of the subject that I can confidently say is independent of him and in reliable sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:23, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Rumen Panayotov

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCURLING. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:26, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Pavel Savov

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCURLING. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:30, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nhật Lâm

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This person may very well be notable, but the current article is both heavily promotional and a WP:BLP violation, as a BLP sourced solely to unreliable sources (Youtube and social media), with references that don't support the biographical information in the article. Delete on WP:BLP and WP:TNT grounds. ~ A412 ^talk! 17:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Asteria Aerospace

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Fails WP:NCORP, WP:ORGIND, WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:CORPTRIV. References are routine business news. scope_creep^Talk 18:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ivan Shopov (curler)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCURLING. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:36, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dimitar Dimitrov (curler)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCURLING. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Branny Schepanovich

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Biography of an unelected political candidate, not properly sourced as having any strong notability claim.
As always, unsuccessful candidates for political office are not notable on that basis per se, and get articles only if they can be properly demonstrated to have established notability for other reasons that would already have gotten them an article on those other grounds anyway -- but this basically just says that he had a law career without saying anything about it that would constitute a meaningful notability claim as a lawyer, and is "referenced" solely to his paid-inclusion obituary in the local newspaper rather than any meaningful reliable source coverage about him and his work.
A prior deletion discussion in 2011 landed "keep" on the grounds of claims that he had sufficient RS coverage to pass WP:GNG, but the sources brought to bear in that discussion consisted entirely of sources that namechecked him, mostly as a party spokesman providing soundbites to the media in articles about the party, rather than being about him in any meaningful sense -- but we've long since deprecated that type of sourcing as not contributing to notability, and none of it ever actually found its way into the article at all anyway.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable without GNG-worthy sourcing for it, but we need to see sources in which he's the subject of the coverage, not just sources that quote him as a spokesman, to deem him as passing GNG. Bearcat (talk) 18:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohammed Ahmed (businessman)

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the sources are dependent and only one has something similar to deep coverage, but the sources itself is not reliable and independent (this one Ethiopian birthday) other are WP:Trades and nothing similar to significant coverage OatPancake (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Individual is known for the success of Africa's largest airlines. According to Fana Broadcasting Corporate "The late Captain Mohammed Ahmed, a pioneering force in the aviation industry and a cherished leader of Ethiopian Airlines" [17]Magherbin (talk) 05:55, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability standards, lacking significant coverage from independent, reliable sources. If it relies on promotional content or self-published material, it would also fail to meet the site's neutrality and sourcing guidelines.--Hka-34 Jyli (talk) 08:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hka-34 Jyli: So does it contain promotional content or not? MarioGom (talk) 09:28, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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DeleteI cannot find multiple reliable significant coverage to meet ANY BIO. One so-so source is not enough. --NiftyyyNofteeeee (talk) 09:10, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mike Hanly

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Article about a smalltown (pop. 6K) municipal councillor, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NPOL #2. As always, politicians at the local/municipal level of office are not inherently notable just for existing, and have to show a substantial volume and depth of reliable source coverage and analysis about their work to demonstrate a reason why they should be considered special cases of more nationalized significance than most other municipal councillors -- but this essentially just states that he exists, and is referenced almost entirely to sources that are not support for notability, such as the self-published websites of the town council and his own campaign, and a single glancing namecheck of his existence in an article about the municipal budget vote.
The only source that's actually both independent and about Mike Hanly is a single profile in a minor community newspaper, which isn't enough coverage to get him over WP:GNG all by itself if it's the only substantive source he's got.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass NPOL #2 on a lot more substance and better sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 17:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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IdeaForge

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Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in WP:LISTED (or any other) case. Fails to meet WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources, whether on or off Wikipedia, should be viewed with caution, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI. Apart from that, activities like revenue targets, profit/financial reporting, turnover news, capacity expansion news etc., are merely routine coverage WP:ROUTINE, regardless of where they are published. I am nominating this page for deletion again, as the last AfD ended without a consensus and took place over two months ago. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 12:23, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I came across several independent research reports like this, this and this, which critically and thoroughly cover the company. In addition to this, there is also significant critical coverage surrounding the IdeaForge drone fraud case, such as this and this. Chanel Dsouza (talk) 12:55, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chanel Dsouza I would like to respectfully point out that the PDF reports you shared from HEM Securities and HDFC Securities may not be entirely independent. Both documents include disclaimers on pages 6 and 17, respectively; which clearly indicate the presence of "potential or material conflicts of interest". Also, they mention that "the firms or their associates may have received compensation from the companies covered in the reports within the preceding twelve months". Indian securities reports should be viewed with some skepticism, something I realized during Senco Gold's AFD. These reports are often prepared for internal use within portfolio management services, where the firms typically hold shares in the subject companies or try to promote a particular narrative, especially around upcoming IPOs. Charlie (talk) 17:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I won’t vote in this deletion discussion because the nomination and my opinion are very similar to what I said in the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Apar_Industries. Charlie (talk) 17:25, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Rondebosch Boys' Preparatory School

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Non-notable primary school. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:42, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Totally non-notable. Wbm4567 (talk) 20:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I do not see enough independent sources to show lasting notability. It looks like a regular primary school without the kind of coverage needed for an article. Best to delete according to guidelines. Ambrosiawater (talk) 04:36, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The school itself is not notable and clearly a promotion. There can be hundreds of not thousands of such schools which do exist but not notable paying for articles if this one is kept, WP:PROMOTION. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 14:28, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Non-notable public school. Lefcentreright Discuss 22:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Are we looking at the sources? There is significant coverage in Schroder, Bill (2019). A headmaster's story: my life in education. Johannesburg: Jonathan Ball Publishers. ISBN 9781868429325. and passing mentions in multiple other books, where there are biographies of former students or based on the locality. The passing mentions don't count towards notability, but the first book definitely does. What the passing mentions do flag up is that this is a very old school in South Africa, and that is, in itself, likely to be signficant. Additionally it is well studied. It is one of the research subjects in Non-motorized transport integration into urban transport planning in Africa. Abingdon, Oxon ; New York, NY: Routledge. 2017. ISBN 9781315598451., which also contains significant coverage. Also in [18] and [19]. Although the research study is primary, background on the school in the study will be secondary, and the fact that it does show up in many studies (these are just a sample) shows again how it is embedded in the community, also evidenced by papers such as this [20], which is a passing mention but makes the same point. And all that is without even beginning to look at newspaper sources, of which there are lots, both past and current. Just a single example for now, a former teacher fighting sexual abuse charges: [21]. This one clearly passed GNG, and I believe the depth of coverage in two of the book sources allows it to pass WP:NORG too. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:14, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Wbm4567, Ambrosiawater, HilssaMansen19, Lefcentreright and Jonesey95 to ask if you'll reconsider your !votes in the light of these sources. Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:58, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~: Also fails WP:GNG. Wbm4567 (talk) 22:07, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You have already voted delete. I pinged to ask if you would reconsider in the light of the sources, but you can't vote twice. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:12, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah! Ok! I’m doing it. Wbm4567 (talk) 22:24, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And so, again, we have significant coverage in multiple sources. We have at least two books with significant coverage. We have multiple research papers, and, although I only quoted one, very many news articles. In what way does this not meet GNG? I see you are new here (and welcome to Wikipedia), so it is understandable you are unaware of how this works. What we need is not a claim that it meets GNG or otherwise. We don't vote here. We need to review the sources and show either why the sourcing demonstrates that the page meets GNG or else why the sources do not show that. Having presented sources, I'm asking if you will review them and assess whether you agree that they provide significant coverage, are independent, reliable and secondary sources. Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:05, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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These are the first available sources that are viewable. Passable mentions, one has time based significance of an event. I will search for more.

To the closing admin/non-admin a little more time is required for a proper review. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 15:01, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for reviewing these. The last one ([8]) is Schroder (2019) that I mentioned. That one has Schroder's account of his time leading Rondebosch. The account is across multiple pages. In the preview you can see that Rondebosch yields 44 hits, and the preview will show the kind of things he is talking about. The book is professionally published by Jonathan Ball Publishers. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Not significant enough but just mentions here.

Two mention old history/purchase/administration and we need atleast two more to present it. I have been unable to find any more.

Can you also check for two more sources talking about school's history? HilssaMansen19 (talk) 18:14, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hubertus Prinz von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha

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Article is primarily about his parents and grandfather and very little about Hubertus himself beyond genealogical information. I see no reason for notability independent of his ancestry. WP:NOTINHERITED WP:NOTGENEOLOGY D1551D3N7 (talk) 10:14, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom.

AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 13:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Ernst Leopold Prinz von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha (his father). The contents of this entire article can be transferred to and summed up in the "Marriage and family" section of the other article I mentioned. Vida0007 (talk) 18:42, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect per User:Vida0007. Kakurokuna (talk) 20:56, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.The present prospective petitioner to be restored as Duke of Albany should have his own article and Wikipedia's genealogical content is not a drawback in any sense and there is no reason to thin it just because it's not marked for extension.72.80.84.163 (talk) 16:05, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a form WP:CRYSTALBALL argument you are making. The Duke of Albany title was ended in the Titles Deprivation Act 1917 a whole 44 years before Hubertus was born. You seem to think there's some inherit notability in being "in line" for a title that fundamentally no longer exists and your basis is that it could potentially be restored but there's no sources to support that. D1551D3N7 (talk) 17:36, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Royal Family article in Debrett's Peerage includes the deprived titles as "suspended" and tracks the heirs and we should do likewise...the law makes provision for heirs to petition to be restored. 72.80.84.163 (talk) 04:12, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Beeing a potential petitoner does not bring relevance. Beeing a petitoner would change that, but this is WP:CRYSTALBALL. Keeping track of who reliabable sources think could be a potential petioner is already covered in the article Duke of Albany, which is the appropriate place. --Theoreticalmawi (talk) 14:05, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Christian Gessner

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Non-notable swimmer. No sources beyond profiles from databases. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 19:01, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. No evidence of WP:BEFORE. A search brings up SIGCOV such as this, paywalled stories that are almost certainly SIGCOV such as this, and it is very, very likely that a world championship swimming medalist in the offline era will have further coverage in German newspaper archives. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep - The links posted above basically link to the same story with the same title ("Schwimmer Christian Geßner war für ein paar Stunden Republik-Flüchtling", or in machine translation "Swimmer Christian Geßner [Gessner] was a refugee from the Republic for a few hours") which is about their missing a flight and being thought to have defected from the East Germany. The piece is one of those narrative-with-comments-from-the-subject stories where the author clear spoke to the journalist writing the story. If that were all there was I'd lean weak-delete, but I see there's also a Munziger bio that appears to be referencing a news article. The Spiegel piece referred to in the Munziger bio is a one-paragraph mention of Gessner. Neues Deutschland had an interview with Gessner, but given that this was the party mouthpiece it is not exactly a reliable source. None of these is the kind of solid SIGCOV that I'd like to see for an article but there does at least seem to be biographical detail in them beyond the usual stats. FOARP (talk) 09:41, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ma Siu Kwan

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Sources for this article seem to refer back to this article (i.e. an aggregated google book) – might make more sense to merge to one of the team pages if doesn't seem worth a delete. Smallangryplanet (talk) 17:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ihar Khmelyuk

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No claim to notability outside of his 8 matches in the second tier of Belarus and no evidence of WP:GNG being met. Sport.ua only has 2 sentences about him and my own searches in Belarusian, Ukrainian and Russian (Хмелюк Игорь) yielded no decent results. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:43, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Searching cyrillic/russian sources I found only this semi-dubious source remarking on Khmelyuk play. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 16:52, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy redirect, with the consent of the article creator, because this nomination was obviously made by mistake. If you want to redirect a page, and nobody objects, you just go ahead and perform a WP:BLAR. You don't start a full AfD. AfD is articles for deletion, not articles for redirection. James500 (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Commissioner for Older People (Wales) Act 2006

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A redirect to the Commissioner for Older People (Wales article would be better. There are very few sources that describe the legislation separately to the role. Landpin (talk) 16:43, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry meant this page as the suggested redirect: Older People's Commissioner for Wales Landpin (talk) 16:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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ARV Loshan Sports

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A duplicate exists at Draft:ARV Loshan Sports already. I can't find any independent, reliable sources discussing ARV Loshan Sports and the article creator appears to have a strong COI. The YouTube channel has a reasonable subscriber count but it needs significant coverage from independent sources to be considered notable enough for Wikipedia. No evidence of a WP:GNG pass. I've reviewed the newly added references and none of them demonstrate notability. The 'example.com' reference doesn't even work. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - the Tamil Media Weekly source doesn't work for me. It tries to take me to arvloshan.com, which doesn't exist as a domain. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dilovan Kovli

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Unsourced BLP and an autobiography. The previously deleted autobiography was about an Iraqi artist but this reincarnation has now put him down as a field commander in the Syrian civil war. I can see that Kovli has been added to Hêzên Komandos but this edit was made by a now-globally locked IP account, so is highly dubious. The only mentions of him online are Yahoo and NL Times, which are both image captions giving credit to the Wikipedia user Dilovan Kovli and making no mention of the field commander. Searches in Kurdish ( دلوڤان کوڤلی) yield zilch. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:19, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - User:REAL MOUSE IRL tagged this for speedy deletion but it was removed by a logged out editor for no reason. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see talk of socking, UPE, and AI hoaxing in the last AfD, which would go a long way in explaining the strange IP editor and shift in article topic. I G11'd it as a recreated autobiography, but it seems like multiple criteria would apply. REAL_MOUSE_IRL talk 16:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No sources found, two articles linked in article are dead, and I couldn't search them either. Article is highly promotional in tone, high chances it is written by AI due to the language used. (please ping on reply) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 16:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: In addition to being unsourced, the article is highly promotional in tone.--IndyNotes (talk) 16:40, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dani Palmer

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No notable wrestler. Worked for 2 years as develoment talent. No enough in-deep coverage around her from reliable sources, just WP:ROUTINE results. Since she retired, the article will be no larger. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:03, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Does not meet Wikipedia standards for notability.--IndyNotes (talk) 16:40, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hex (professional wrestling)

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No notable tag team. Worked on independent level, no enough in-deep coverage from reliable sources, just WP:ROUTINE results [29] HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:04, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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WXW Diamond Division Championship

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No notable pro wrestling title. Just a regional title, no coverage from reliable sources. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:05, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this isn't even the top womens wrestling championship for this promotion. Fails GNG.

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WJNK-LD

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Contested WP:PROD; questionable sourcing; some original research; tone concerns. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 16:03, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jacob Goodall

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The current sources are all primary while a BEFORE didn't come up with anything much better. Let'srun (talk) 15:51, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:42, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bajgora offensive

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Declined G3. This appears to be original research. I can't find a mention of a "Bajgora offensive" anywhere. The author of this article claims that two of the sources mention a "Bajgora offensive", but I can't find those mentions via translation, and certainly not an offensive that occurred from 10 July 1998 to 12 January 1999. voorts (talk/contributions) 14:51, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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College Football Data Warehouse

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Fails WP:GNG. Citations show no significant coverage of this defunct website. Reliable sources sometimes use the site's data: "According to the College Football Data Warehouse...". But I cannot find any sources that offer WP:SIGCOV of the website itself. PK-WIKI (talk) 21:05, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This was one of the largest and most reliable sources of statistical information on the history of college football (and it remains accessible through the Internet Archives). Major news outlets long relied on it as a "go to" source for historical information on the sport. E.g., Chicago Tribune (reviewing CFDW's findings on the use of interim head coaches), The Montgomery Advertiser (dscussing CFDW's use of the National Championship Foundation to reconstruct history and choose national champions); The New York Times, USA Today, The Philadelphia Inquirer. Cleveland Plain Dealer, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, The Vancouver Sun, The Orlando Sentinel. As set forth in the article, CFDW has also been widely cited in books on college football history and in scholarly journals. Further, a review at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Reliable sources confirmed: "Not only has this website has proven time and again to be a reliable source of information, but it is maintained by an established expert on the topic and is relevant to the field." Given how widely cited the database is, it would do a disservice to Wikipedia to delete the information that has been developed about its background, its creators, and its unfortunate demise. Cbl62 (talk) 21:52, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those citations provide barely any coverage of the website, let alone significant coverage.
These are the complete mentions of CFDW in those sources:
The only information that can be gleaned from any of those sources comes from the New York Times piece: that CFDW is a "website" and that David DeLassus is a proprietor.

WP:SIGCOV states "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

These are all trivial mentions at best. PK-WIKI (talk) 04:41, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: The sources provided by cbl62 appear to contain the necessary WP:SIGCOV of the website to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 03:56, 20 April 2025 (UTC) [reply]
Where are you seeing WP:SIGCOV in those sources? The citations only say that "College Football Data Warehouse" was used as a source for each article. They contain basically no details at all about CFDW itself. PK-WIKI (talk) 04:45, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

CFDW is a major information repository/resource. It has not only been cited regularly as a reliable source by major media outlets, scholarly journals, and books; it is also cited as a source in hundreds (thousands?) of Wikipedia articles and is recognized here as a reliable source. Deleting the article, which provides background information and context on the database, simply does not improve Wikipedia. I don't recall ever relying on WP:IAR in 18 years working on Wikipedia, but this is a case where it definitely applies: "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." Cbl62 (talk) 10:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The fact that the subject has been widely cited in books on college football history and in scholarly journals, such as the Journal of Sports Economics, the Utah Law Review, the Tulsa Law Review, the Oklahoma Law Review, and Sports Law, is proof of notability. The points made by Cbl62, all of which are valid, also favor keeping the article. In addition, this article is a valuable source of information, which if lost would be detrimental to Wikipedia. Jeff in CA (talk) 10:03, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Projectify We have several keep votes already here, but PK-WIKI's central point remains unchallenged: there has been no substantial coverage of the College Football Data Warehouse itself to establish it as a notable subject. Its use as a source in books, newspapers, and journals and establishes it a reliable source (at least in the past), but not clearly as a notable subject. Compare, for example, with Baseball Reference, which was the subject of a 2015 article in Rolling Stone (here). We having nothing of that sort for CFDW. I also have my doubts that CFWD remains a quality tertiary source now that it is defunct and has not been updated in several years, and therefore does not reflect any of the error-checking and de-bugging against primary and secondary sources that we editors have performed here in editing Wikipedia in recent years. In the early to mid 2010s, I sent David DeLassus over 100 emails regarding errors I found on his website, and he made corrections accordingly. But that obviously stopped once the site went effectively defunct nearly a decade ago. To that point, I have been removing references to CFDW wherever they are redundant or can be replaced with other suitable sources. I plan to eventually remove all the references to CFDW, if possible. But given CFDW's history as a reliable source and frequent citation here on Wikipedia, I think this article should be preserved in some form. A WikiProject College football project page seems like the best fit. Jweiss11 (talk) 14:49, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with moving it to the internal Wikipedia:WikiProject College football space. That page would be far more useful than the current article, as we could discuss the history/authorship/reliability/sourcing issues you mention that are inappropriate for mainspace. PK-WIKI (talk) 16:50, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with the suggesstion from Jweiss11. Let'srun (talk) 02:36, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as incredibly widely cited media outlet. It’s well established that media doesn’t cover other media in the same way it covers the subjects themselves. WilsonP NYC (talk) 22:43, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WilsonP makes an incredibly good point. And very few media outlets have such a long history of being cited as a reliable source to the extent we see here with CFDW being cited in the most reputable newspapers in America in addition to books and academic journals. Cbl62 (talk) 05:40, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Response Among the Wikipedia articles on college football, for the past several years, mentions of and citations to CFDW have (for reasons not related to WP:GNG or WP:SIGCOV) been removed from articles and lists by:
- replacing, within a table, a column that relied on CFDW for inclusion criteria,
- deleting from another article the very same table that appears in this subject article,
- deleting a section about CFDW,
- (per a statement by one of the respected editors above) removing references to CFDW, with a mission to eventually remove all references to CFDW from Wikipedia.

For some of these removals, I began a discussion to object to and resolve the disagreements, and in the end, I relented based on good faith considerations. However, the pursuit to remove CFDW wherever it is mentioned is beginning to seem like a targeted effort to inflict upon CFDW a "death by a thousand cuts", and I am growing weary in general, not to mention becoming older by the day. And I mean no disrespect of any other editors.

Perhaps there is an effort to eradicate all mention of CFDW from Wikipedia; I don't know. I will predict that, if this article is moved to Wikiproject space, then in relatively short time, someone (in disregard of the level of project activity and collaboration it might receive) will say, "The project never really got off the ground," and nominate it for MFD. That could well be a nail in the coffin of CFDW on Wikipedia, and people will celebrate that Wikipedia policies prevailed and therefore that CFDW suffered a deserved fate.

Therefore, I agree with Cbl62 that, if ever there was a reason for implementing WP:IAR to keep an article, this is it. Jeff in CA (talk) 20:38, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As an answer to that, from my perspective CFDW was extremely over-represented (to the point of clearly violating WP:NPOV / WP:WEIGHT) in the articles you mention. This probably comes from being one of the top college football websites available in the years immediately following the founding of Wikipedia. I am rather critical of their opinion on "recognized national champions" (as are you?) and I believe per our evolved adherence to NPOV it was right to remove them from the Wikipedia articles you mention.

CFDW is/was perhaps a reliable source on records and statistical data (although I do have my doubts due to it being WP:SELFPUBLISHED). My issue with using it for this, though, is that the authors of CFDW do not cite any sources for their information. They were surely just drawing it from athletic department publications and newspaper clippings, which is exactly what we now do here at Wikipedia. This was obviously MUCH harder in the time of microfilm and the early days of the internet, so I commend them for their research. But today, in the age of Newspapers.com and other great archives of contemporary reporting, I would rather just mostly skip the step of citing a random self-published website that has been offline for a decade and that may contain forever-uncorrected errors.

I myself have absolutely no intention of deleting a CFDW page in the CFB wikiproject space. I would probably be one of the primary authors. I would have expanded the mainspace article, but unfortunately there appears to be zero significant coverage ever written about the website. If either of the authors are shown to be notable or published, I will consider writing an article on them. PK-WIKI (talk) 01:35, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't find Jeff in CA's suggestion that if we projectify the CFDW article, it will soon be MfD'd to be credible. We have lots of project pages that have been around for years, including several that I created (like Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Coaching trees, Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Official college football guides, Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Archived yearbooks, Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Media guide errors). I don't recall any of these every being MfD'd. If someone were to MfD a projectified CFWD article, you can count on my keep vote there. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:14, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Projectify, there just isn't enough significant coverage to get us over the line... The USEDBYOTHERS argument is a weak one and overall does not surmount the lack of serious in depth coverage of the topic. The argument that the page not existing will affect its use as a source is a curious one but appears spurious and even if it were true would have no bearing on a deletion discussion. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:59, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Allocation site

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Fails WP:NSOFT Clenpr (talk) 16:54, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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What are you talking about? NSOFT is (an essay) about computer programs, not concepts in computer science. jlwoodwa (talk) 02:56, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply -referring to WP:NSOFT,which means the article is related to non-notable software. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 15:42, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's what I said NSOFT is about, but I still don't see how it's the least bit applicable here. It would be like applying WP:NSPECIES to a concept in anatomy. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that NSOFT applies, but I also think a computer scientist could offer a more useful response. Mangoe (talk) 01:39, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you still think the article meets Wikipedia general notability guideline criteria? Clenpr (talk) 09:45, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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On the assumption that this really is specifically germane to OOD, merge to Constructor (object-oriented programming), as I don't think you can say much about it out of that context. Mangoe (talk) 01:36, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you provide a valid independent source so there is at least a reference in the redirected article? We do not want unverifiable content in Wikipedia. Clenpr (talk) 09:47, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The definition is correct, and it's not specific to object-oriented programming - it's used generally when talking about dynamic memory allocation. A quick search for "allocation site" on Google Books finds 15 references using it in this sense in the first 20 results. However, I'm not sure there's enough to say about the concept for an article of its own. Pointer analysis could be a redirect target, although that's specifically about static analysis and it's also used in dynamic analysis (e.g. memory debugging). Adam Sampson (talk) 12:10, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge though I am not as savvy in programming itself, basing upon the definition stated in the article, a sensible move for me is to merge it to Object-oriented programming,as on its own as it is, seems not enough as a standalone, noted also by fellow wikipedians above for lack of RS to support it.Villkomoses (talk) 09:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you provide a valid independent source so there is at least a reference in the redirected article? We do not want unverifiable content in Wikipedia. Clenpr (talk) 12:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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jlwoodwa, do you have an opinion on the two merge/redirect targets above? Mangoe, do you stand by your proposed target or would you prefer Adam Sampson's proposal of Pointer analysis? Toadspike [Talk] 14:33, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Memory management. The current article is not very useful, and a redirect to OOP-specific article would be incorrect. Memory allocation is not specific to object oriented programming. The concept of a an allocation site is not specific to OOP either. MarioGom (talk) 17:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lodaya (train)

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This article has been created multiple times before (Draft:Lodaya Train, Draft:Lodaya train, Draft:Lodaya (train)) with slightly different names. I am unable to find sources to show that this meets GNG. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:30, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Page is completely unsourced, and notability is clearly lacking. Author is a bit disruptive since they keep recreating the article for no reason, and they also remove maintenance templates without explanation. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:40, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Árpád Csonka

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This footballer only played two matches for DAC Dunajská Streda before disappearing for over one decade. The only secondary source I found is Pravda, a passing mention in squad list. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete - playing 19 minutes of football is not a "credible claim of significance or importance". Geschichte (talk) 19:34, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lennart Christensen

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Declined prod. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 13:48, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2025 Drake Passage earthquake

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Fail WP:EVENT; this is an earthquake with no lasting impact or in-depth coverage unworthy of its own article. Has not caused serious impact or disruption. Some notable aspects of the article suitable for Wikipedia can be merged into List of earthquakes in 2025 as the list has dictated. An article is unnecessary Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 12:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree for similar reasons. Quake1234 (talk) 12:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support - no enduring impact. Mikenorton (talk) 12:39, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Dora. Any arguments about strength amount to WP:TRIVIA at this stage. Borgenland (talk) 12:39, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 13:21, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Antonio Alvarez (soldier)

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Fails WP:BIO. He fought in wars involving the Dominican Republic, but did not seem to have had much impact. Not to be confused with Juan Antonio Álvarez de Arenales. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:52, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 12:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ghassan Keyrouz

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The only source in the article is a database and all I could find elsewhere was some mentions like [[30]]. Let'srun (talk) 11:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 12:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

U Maung Maung Lwin

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The only source is a database and I can't find anything else to support notability. Let'srun (talk) 11:42, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 12:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Agree that it does not meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV.--IndyNotes (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Francisco Reyes Marión

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Fails WP:BIO. He was an officer in wars involving the Dominican Republic, but hardly a "national hero". I couldn't find anything more than passing mentions. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 13:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Roshdi Khalil

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Potentially notable mathematician but there has been some discussion on whether he is notable on talk and that has not been resolved. Looking for a wider discussion. A note tag has been placed on the article. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 11:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - According to Google Scholar, and his work has been cited 6291 by others; he has an h-index of 23, and an i10-index of 46. He is a tenured Full Professor. I don't know enough about these scores in relation to his specific field of mathematics to be able to interpret them, but it seems he may be notable. Apparently he is also a poet. Netherzone (talk) 13:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As I wrote on the article talk some time ago, "Heavy citations in mathematics, centered on dubious journals, can be less a sign of notability and more a sign that something suspicious is going on." See Science: Citation cartels help some mathematicians—and their universities—climb the rankings: Widespread citation manipulation has led entire field of math to be excluded from influential list of top researchers. The subject is exactly the sort of person this was targeted at: someone high on the lists of heavily cited mathematicians but whose name would be unfamiliar to most mainstream mathematicians. For this reason I think we need to base notability on something else other than WP:PROF#C1. I don't see any evidence of that something else. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - based on the information that David Eppstein has shared. It's good to be aware of the fact that this sort of gaming of the system occurs in the mathematics field. A BEFORE search had revealed nothing else, and the awards are not notable, they are run-of-the-mill teaching awards. Fails WP:GNG and WP:PROF. Netherzone (talk) 17:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Foresters House

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Article about an office building, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for office buildings. As always, buildings are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on reliable source coverage and analysis of their architectural, historical, social or cultural significance -- but this doesn't make any meaningful notability claim over and above existing, and is referenced almost entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability. The only reliable source present here at all is an insurance industry trade magazine, which is here solely to tangentially verify the name of the company's CEO rather than supporting any information about the building in its own right.
Since it's the headquarters of a company that does have an article under WP:CORP terms, any information we need about its head office can easily be contained in the company's article -- but in order to qualify for its own standalone article as a separate topic from the company, it would need a much stronger notability claim, and much better sourcing for it, than this. Bearcat (talk) 19:57, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Does not appear to have sufficient notability to pass WP:NBUILD. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 23:27, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Does not appear notable, could not find any meaningful sources. silviaASH (inquire within) 06:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Articles about designated heritage buildings is something that we should be expanding on Wikipedia. This is a prominent and very well-known building - you even see mention of it in fiction, such as [ short stories] by Austin Clarke. There has been coverage over the last half-century, such as this significant trade article when it was sold in 2022. There was national media coverage when it was constructed, such as in the Globe and Mail (ProQuest 1270450320). Even if the article isn't deemed worthy of inclusion, it's most certainly should be merged and/or redirected to Foresters Financial. Nfitz (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- If it is a designated heritage building then it passes WP:GEOFEAT. But I can't see any evidence that it is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ : Not a listed heritage building, so no listing there to help. I don't see news articles about this place, appears to be just another high rise in Toronto. No real sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 00:04, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

put the wrong address in, it's listed under Part IV of the Ontario Heritage Act. [31], but that's not enough for sourcing. Let's see what else we can find. Oaktree b (talk) 00:07, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lengthy heritage study attached to the by-law [32]. Coverage here [33], column down on the left, suggests there is coverage of this in a book about the architect. Oaktree b (talk) 00:13, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Radiant Secondary School

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Lacks Notability. Promotional contents. All the references are primary. Rahmatula786 (talk) 10:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdulrahman Thaher

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The person mentioned in the article is actually its own author! This constitutes a clear conflict of interest. Furthermore, the person presented as a representative is virtually unknown in the Palestinian territories. The article violates all standards. The author is attempting to create an article about himself in various versions of Wikipedia, but he does not meet the notability criteria. — Osama Eid ^(talk) 10:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It may be an autobiographyt but that is actually allowed, as long as it has been submitted to WP:AFC. Easliy passes WP:GNG though could do with some clean up. Theroadislong (talk) 10:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the page can be tagged with a maintenance template regarding COI, but the person is definitely notable, whether or not they wrote it themselves. It's written in a neutral tone, and from the oldest revision, appears to have been translated by the page creator from another wiki, so the content may have actually been written by various other people. Anyway, the subject is notable because of his arrest leading to mass protests (see this report, which is sourced in the article), media pressure leading to a conditional release, and being the director of several noteworthy TV shows. jolielover♥talk 10:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Because it is spam. He also made his article in Indonesian, Nederland, German, Korean and other language Wikipedia so it can be considered as cross-wiki LTA Badak Jawa (talk) 11:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Same opinion with ~~Badak Jawa~~ Fazoffic. Singasarská (talk) 11:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Autobiographical article, emergency level conflict of interest. Seeing how the author of the article created an article with the same structure and content on many wikis at once, it is strongly suspected that this is an attempt at character promotion (or more accurately, self-promotion). See WP:YOU.
Absolute Strong Keep Per @Theroadislong, an autobiography article, no matter the potential WP:ACTUALCOI or whatever, is okay to make as long as it has many sources (WP:RS), is neatly written, and NPOV. This is also a very useful new knowledge for me. Thank you. ▪︎ Fazoffic _{( ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ)} 11:28, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't the person unquestionably notable? If not for the arrests, surely as an actor/director for several TV shows. jolielover♥talk 11:30, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:AUTO has replied to your comment. This is not encouraged at all on Wikipedia, even if they try to be neutral. Paid contributors are still better than creating articles by hand. ▪︎ Fazoffic _{( ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ)} 11:33, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jolielover I suggest you read Wikipedia:AUTO#The problem with autobiographies and Wikipedia:AUTO#Creating an article about yourself Badak Jawa (talk) 11:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete @Jolielover But making an autobiography on Wikipedia itself is prohibited, even if the subject is worthy. A figure on Wikipedia must be created by someone else, and must not be created by the person himself so that the contents of the article are more reliable and accurate, without any suspicion of adding spices, self promotion, also paid contributor. Serigala Sumatera (talk) 11:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From my inclusionist point of view, I think there ought to be a community revision so as to check and assure the netrality of the article and to add additional information regarding the opposing view of Thaher, to make it more neutral. Because structure-wise, it is pretty decent. Your thoughts, @Jolielover? ANNAFscience (talk) 11:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Serigala Sumatera That is absolutely incorrect, creating autobiographies is discouraged but NOT prohibited. Theroadislong (talk) 12:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Theroadislong And do you know if the autobiography article has many problems? Have you read Wikipedia:AUTO#Creating an article about Yourself? Badak Jawa (talk) 12:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
yes of course I have... and it states " submit a draft to at Articles for Creation (AfC) instead of creating an article directly." which is what happened here. Look [34] Theroadislong (talk) 12:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC) Theroadislong (talk) 12:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Theroadislong: So, making an autobiography article on enwiki is okay as long as it is written neutrally, neatly, has many references, and through AfC? Wow, this is very good news. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. ▪︎ Fazoffic _{( ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ)} 12:49, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes, basically. WP:AUTO says If you really think that you can meet the inclusion criteria, and if you are willing to accept that your article must be neutral and non-promotional, then submit a draft to at Articles for Creation (AfC) instead of creating an article directly. AfC provides independent viewpoints that may uncover or discover biases you were unaware of, and shows you value volunteer editors' time. The thing is: this article did go through the AfC process (see here), making any argument for deletion irrelevant since policy explicitly states that autobiographies can be submitted and be approved through this process. jolielover♥talk 13:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jolielover and @Theroadislong Abduddaher globally blocked by EPIC Badak Jawa (talk) 14:03, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Remind

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List of Punjab FC records and statistics

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Per WP:NOTSTATS. The particular content can be found at Punjab FC#Records and statistics. Wareon (talk) 09:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Club is far too young to need this WP:CONTENTFORK. Govvy (talk) 10:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify – As WP:ATD. I'm not against this type of page, but there's still little material to be worked on. Svartner (talk) 12:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge to Punjab FC#Records and statistics - does not need a separate article. Giant Snowman 18:28, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Franziska Zimmerer

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No indication of signifance. BLP with what looks like zero WP:SECONDARY sources. Seems to be a man doing his job. scope_creep^Talk 09:43, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I'm not finding anything of substance on this person, BTW, she's a woman not a man according to the article. I agree it's an article on a run of the mill journalist/political scientist just doing her job. Fails WP:JOURNALIST WP:NSCIENTIST and WP:GNG. Netherzone (talk) 14:12, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abdulrahman Thaher filmography

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The article was authored by the same individual, which creates a conflict of interest. Additionally, this person is not widely recognized or well-known in the Palestinian territories. The article does not fulfill all the necessary criteria. — Osama Eid ^(talk) 09:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge Although the director is notable, I don't think his filmography is long enough for a separate page as of yet. I think this should be merged to Abdulrahman Thaher as there are some pieces of media he's been in not mentioned on that page. jolielover♥talk 10:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge, per jolielover♥.--IndyNotes (talk) 16:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Christoph Glauser

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An associate professor with a rather light career output (18 works on ORCID; 5 on Scopus); doesn't meet WP:NACADEMIC and doesn't seem to have sufficient media engagement to meet WP:GNG. It also looks like an unacknowledged translation from the German article (also suggesting that we're not missing anything). Notability tagged for 2 months. Klbrain (talk) 08:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tanya Alderete

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In my WP:BEFORE, I found only one reliable independent source with significant coverage of the subject to count towards WP:BIO [35], which I added to the article. The other two sources cited in the article are not independent. I checked WP:NPROF and I think the only criteria that might apply is #1, for citations. Her Google Scholar profile [36] gives an h-index of around 30, which I suggest is borderline; I do note that the article had explicitly been undraftified with this comment respectable h-index, may meet WP:NPROF. I submit that it doesn't, and therefore than an article now is too soon. As an alternative to deletion, I would be happy for the article to be draftified again for future expansion and resubmisssion when notability is clearer. SunloungerFrog (talk) 08:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I would argue the one article the nom cites as potentially meeting WP:BIO is not in-depth enough count towards significance --- it's largely interview responses. From a public health perspective, the potential link between pollution and allergies/asthma/diabetes was established well before Aderelte's career began (e.g. [37]), so much of her research isn't groundbreaking in the field. I wouldn't even draftify this as academics usually take a while to become notable and it's likely to languish there for years. If Alderete becomes notable in the future someone can rewrite based on newer and better information. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 12:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Reason I Can't Find My Love

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Non-notable drama series that likely only has an article due to its use of songs by Namie Amuro. Both the English and Japanese versions of the article are almost completely unsourced. Performing a search for Japanese-language sources only results in product listings, streaming sites and forum posts, not reliable coverage. MidnightMayhem 06:00, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No reliable sources to prove its notability. Warriorglance(talk to me) 06:25, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I found an article from Oricon stating that the first episode had a 17% nationwide viewership. Mantan Web reports that its final episode had an 18.4% nationwide viewership. It seems to have been highly viewed in Japan. lullabying (talk) 07:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Correction: they're not nationwide viewerships, but overall viewerships in the Kanto region of Japan. lullabying (talk) 07:11, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the sources found by Lullabying, which seem to provide notability for the minimum WP:BASIC criteria. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:19, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep 17% viewership in Kanto (Japan's most populous region) as noted by above editors. DCsansei (talk) 14:00, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, not seeing much evidence of WP:SIGCOV. 2 statistics websites that give viewership numbers of shows and a brief synopsis probably won’t cut it. ApexParagon (talk) 03:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oricon also publishes news articles about media. Here is a link to all the articles published about the television drama. lullabying (talk) 05:12, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Huijiwiki

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Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to support meeting WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:30, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. The sources I found were passing mentions and unreliable sources. Huijiwiki (simplified Chinese: 灰机wiki; traditional Chinese: 灰機wiki; lit. 'Gray Machine Wiki') does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (web)#Criteria. Cunard (talk) 21:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Most of the sources are either passing mentions or not reliable enough. The subject does not meet the notability criteria for websites. Ambrosiawater (talk) 04:29, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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吕明芳 (2019). 功能对等视角下游戏本地化翻译策略探讨与反思 ——以游戏《文明Ⅵ》为例 [A Study and Reflection on Game Localization Translation Strategies from the Perspective of Functional Equivalence -- Taking the Game "Civilization VI" as an Example] (Thesis). Beijing Foreign Studies University. Retrieved 2025-05-01.

杨玲 (2018). 《临高启明》与当代幻想文学中的世界建构 [The World Construction of Lingao Qiming and Contemporary Fantasy Literature]. 济宁学院学报. 39 (1): 51–56. Retrieved 2025-05-01.

刘显. 科幻小说《三体》及改编作品的故事世界研究 [A Study on the Story World of the Science Fiction Novel The Three-Body Problem and its Adaptations] (Thesis). Retrieved 2025-05-01.

郭小嘉 (2022). 论《三体Ⅱ·黑暗森林》日译本的文化意象传递 [On the Transmission of Cultural Images in the Japanese Translation of The Three-Body Problem II: The Dark Forest] (Thesis). 黑龙江大学. Retrieved 2025-05-01.

王昊岚 (2023). MMORPG及其演变分析 ——以《最终幻想》系列为例 [Analysis of MMORPG and Its Evolution -- Taking the Final Fantasy Series as an Example] (Thesis). 天津大学. Retrieved 2025-05-01.

王依婷 (2021-11-19). "zh:审美认同与孙悟空视觉形象的海外流布" [Aesthetic Identity and the Overseas Spread of the Visual Image of Sun Wukong]. 中外文论2021. “跨文化视野下文艺理论批评前沿问题”研讨会暨中国中外文艺理论学会第18届年会. Guilin. pp. 135–150. doi:10.26914/c.cnkihy.2021.083048. Retrieved 2025-05-01. 内存溢出的猫 (talk) 15:35, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for providing these sources 内存溢出的猫 (talk · contribs). Do these sources merely cite Huijiwiki, or do they also discuss Huijiwiki "directly and detail" (quoting from Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline)? Cunard (talk) 01:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That would be enough to support keeping the article. Ahri Boy (talk) 10:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: As an author of the article, someone who cited some would make me nominate to keep the article. Ahri Boy (talk) 15:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Athletics at the 1998 Commonwealth Games – Men's javelin throw

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Non-notable javelin throw event, i was unable to find any sources about it. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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We generally consider these event articles as valid splits from the main page (which would otherwise become way too long). If deleted this would be, I think, the only event in the history of the Commonwealth Games to not have an article. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:40, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Yes, keep per WP:NOLYMPIC "*Significant coverage is likely to exist for events at individual Summer or Winter Olympic or Paralympic Games, e.g., Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's individual road race or Skeleton at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Women's", and this extends to most international Games and Championships as well. There is also SIGCOV in this specific instance to prove the point, e.g. "Silver lining as England team mount final push" or "Backley spurred on by upset". Lastly I'll just say that because this is a list article, per WP:NLIST sometimes lists can be kept because they're useful navigational aids without demonstrating notability. --Habst (talk) 19:19, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per Habst. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:44, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

Lists that are unsourced, single-sourced, or single primary sourced, existing as an exception to WP:NLIST which states, Notability guidelines also apply to the creation of stand-alone lists and tables. Notability of lists (whether titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs") is based on the group. One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; and other guidelines on appropriate stand-alone lists.. This sort of mirrors Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists.

Review: Any exception[s], if actually allowed by consensus (depending on the list), need to be one of three, for Information, navigation, or Development. I am not sure an unsourced or poorly sourced break-away list containing the names of living people qualifies. Consideration, of course, has to be the membership criteria.

While attempting to validate a list, policies and guidelines should probably at least be considered. Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists includes, "Citing sources": Stand-alone lists are subject to Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines for articles, including verifiability and citing sources.

Some editors may attempt to down-play the Notability guideline. The opening sentence states, "On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article." The actual opening paragraph states, Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. Wikipedia's concept of notability applies this basic standard to avoid indiscriminate inclusion of topics. Article and list topics must be notable, or "worthy of notice".

Wikipedia gauges notability and being "worthy of notice" by verifiability: All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists, and captions, must be verifiable. Additionally, four types of information must be accompanied by an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material. Please note #2 and #3:

direct quotations,
material whose verifiability has been challenged,
material whose verifiability is likely to be challenged, and
contentious material about living and recently deceased persons.

The note on numbers 2 and 3 is because any assumption of inherited or inherent notability is a fallacy. Alright, that's not the note, but true. Anyway, an article, or list, that remains published, either by silence on the subject, or even IAR, is subject to consensus and the fact that consensus can change.

The mention that other stuff exists is usually not a good thing to bring up at AFD. A good discussion for an exemption would be "valid splits from the main page (which would otherwise become way too long)." If a supposed parent article is not sourced or barely sourced, I am not open to considering a "valid split". I have ran across several of these. Articles like List of European Athletics Championships records has sources and also have many "splits" listed as details, which might be a consideration. There should be a link to the "main" article. Articles like European Running Championships with two sources counted as one and likely not advancing notability would not be a good candidate for consideration..

Summation: To claim exemption from notability or verifiability requires silence from other editors, IAR, that is dependent on consensus, and must consider the fact that consensus can change. Any silence ends when there is a challenge, so "likely to exist" becomes moot, and is satisfied by proof in the form of references, specifically inline citations. It would be better to supply a reference and the link to the main article to keep some editor from going on a crusade. It would be sad if the "history of the Commonwealth Games" were upset. -- Otr500 (talk) 08:52, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is this AI? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:08, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I would recommend the addition of at least one reliable source to the article per WP:V. The present one is insecure.

Otr500, you need to abide by due process at AfD by providing a concise rationale that may include links to guidelines. I doubt if anyone will make time to read your input here, and the reaction by BeanieFan11 is understandable. Spartathenian (talk) 06:09, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Added the above sources to the article, thanks. --Habst (talk) 12:29, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Habst. Spartathenian (talk) 20:10, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Recommend immediate closure as the "keep" arguments and actions are policy-compliant, and the nomination reveals a lack of experience in subjects of this type. I would close it myself but for earlier involvement. Thanks. Spartathenian (talk) 19:42, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Firstly, I do not understand the argument that this is a list article. It is an article about a single event in the athletics section of a single competition in a single year. I suppose it "lists" the distances thrown by competitors but that is not really a list so much as a demonstration that this subject only has database listing evidence. No, the piece about Backley's throw does not show that the event is independently notable. The games are notable, but the single event is a spin-off of the games article. There is no clear reason why that is necessary. Wikipedia is a tertiary source, but it is not a results database, and that is all this page is. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:26, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Years ago, it was decided to spin-off the results as otherwise the main page would get way too long. If deleted, this would be, out of the thousands of events in its history, the sole Commonwealth Games event missing an article. That would be nonsensical. If we're saying that its not encyclopedic they need to be discussed as a group, not just one, as that would leave a very awkward gap. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:07, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking only to the list classification, historically these articles have been classified by the community as lists due to the reasoning you point out; see Category:List-Class Athletics articles for hundreds of other examples. I only chose the first two newspapers.com results but there are many others about the event if you just search the names of the medalists in quotes. These javelin throws only happened once every four years and they were a very important and highly-discussed sports match, second only to the Olympics. --Habst (talk) 19:21, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The WP:NOLYMPIC position quoted above extends to other top-level championships including the Commonwealth Games. It is true that the Games as a whole have an over-arching level of notability as they are a major sporting event, but each individual competition within the Games is also notable in its own right. In practice, as BeanieFan11 rightly pointed out earlier, individual event articles are maintained as valid forks from the Games article for reasons that must include pagelength and readership convenience. Spartathenian (talk) 11:17, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NOLYMPIC suitably makes the case that the Commonwealth Games would be notable, but there are 45 disciplines at the Commonwealth games, of which 26 are core disciplines. The relevant discipline for Men's Javelin is, in fact, Athletics (a core discipline). The Athletics discipline consists of nearly 70 events, of which the Men's javelin throw is just one. A page on the Commonwealth Games in any year it is held is certainly notable. That does not mean that for every Commonwealth Games we should also presume there are many hundreds of pages of notable events for every one of the 45 disciplines. There is clearly no such presumption intended nor implied. The only thing that matters would be secondary sources telling us about the 1998 men's javelin throw, discussing the event, and explaining why the event is enduringly notable. Such coverage would need to be WP:SUSTAINED, and not just primary reports of the results of the competition itself. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:09, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sirfurboy, I understand your frustration but I think part of the reason these guidelines have worked so well is because nobody has been able to find a case disproving the rule yet, at least not for a javelin throw at the Commonwealth Games. In my search earlier I saw newspapers that do exactly what you describe about the 1998 Commonwealth javelin, I can't speak for every event but these ones at least were a big deal. Of course, another explanation is that these articles are classified as lists which can be treated differently w.r.t. notability per WP:NLIST. --Habst (talk) 19:29, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Were the guidelines suggesting that every single event spawns hundreds of pages, then the guidelines would not be working well. But the guidelines don't say that. This page is a spin-off. There is no evidence of independent notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:32, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per additions by Habst. I agree with the user Habst here. It meets significant relevance and notability. WP:N and WP:V HilssaMansen19 (talk) 15:56, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it is not about a small sports event respectfully as coverage is there. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 15:58, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Baghdad University shooting

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While clearly serious, this shooting involved no fatalities (fortunately), appears rooted in a personal dispute, and lacks any indication of broader significance, national/regional impact, or lasting consequences/discussion. Coverage is minimal and localized Mooonswimmer 05:28, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I was considering deletion when I came across this in NPP earlier. I agree that this event doesn't seem to have had lasting impact and was only reported in passing in local news sources – one of which appears to have been closely paraphrased here. – ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 05:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Only has local news coverage, there is not much impact. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I can only find limited news coverage from the day of the event, nothing since. Does not appear to have any lasting effect, not notable. Oaktree b (talk) 14:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Don't Delete: The dispute issue is clearly alleged & there is probably more into it. This was an attempted mass murder & should be treated like one. There are many victims aswell who were impacted by this shooting & although it only lasted 50 seconds, it could've been much worse if it wasn't stopped on time. Currings (talk) 17:20, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Andorra

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Without broader coverage of Michelin-starred restaurants in Andorra as a group, the topic does not warrant a stand-alone list, especially with only a single entry and no reasonable expectation of more in the near future. Mooonswimmer 04:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Spain: They are reviewed together. I think it shouldn’t be deleted because there is no reason that the restaurant is any less deserving of a place in a list than any others. It is just because there are no others in the same nation, so the best list to put it in is Spain. History6042😊 (Contact me) 04:28, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per History6042. One item is not a list. Reywas92^Talk 05:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Spain: per History6042. I don't think an article with just one article is considered a list. Merge until more. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:37, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Spain: per History6042.--IndyNotes (talk) 16:45, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Naseem Ameer Ali

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Promo bio for a non-notable individual with no evidence of passing WP:NACADEMIC or WP:GNG. His h-index of 5 (from the Scopus page linked in the footnotes) is what might be expected from a postdoc or graduate student, not an associate professor, and signals the opposite of significantly impacted...academia, to quote the peacocking language used here. He meets none of the other NACADEMIC criteria. The sourcing (here and in a BEFORE search) does not support GNG either. It's limited to non-independent pages: his faculty profile, primary source bios ([38], [39], his own writings [40], [41] and a LinkedIn page. One source turns up a blank page and another is a random search box. The final tenuous claim of notability is an award as a lifetime member of the NZ Institute of Quantity Surveying, but this is unlikely to be a notable award since NZIQS appears non-notable, and it fails WP:V, since the only source is the aforementioned WP:USERGENERATED LinkedIn page and search queries on the NZIQS website turn up no results for life/lifetime members or for Ali's name. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete A long way from passing WP:Prof and, on the basis of the thorough nomination, I don't see enough for GNG. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:18, 4 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Liberal Alliance of Independent Citizens

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Contested PROD due to being a political party. However, such organisations still have to meet WP:ORG, and there is no evidence that this one does. C 679 03:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fail organisation guidlines, not many signs of notability. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cecil Bevan

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A journeyman actor; fails WP:NACTOR. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- As far as I can tell, all of his roles were bit parts. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:12, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Did not have any major roles in any films, only minor ones per above. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:39, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Most roles are uncredited or minor roles, I don't see sourcing we can use. I don't find any. Oaktree b (talk) 14:59, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Melissa Batten

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Fails WP:EVENT. Not shown to have continued coverage beyond news reports at the time of the incident and consequent investigation. A state representative later cited the case when a state gun control law was passed six years later (per this article), but this seems like a passing mention. Bridget (talk) 02:52, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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- Keep The event led to legislation, even if the mention of the original event was brief in context of the legislation. Between the in-depth coverage of the event and the eventual lasting effect, I would consider it notable enough for inclusion on wikipedia.
Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 03:28, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is sigcov in this academic article from 2015 [42] which seems pretty good and analytical about the case and its impact. ~~Weak keep~~ unless I can find more. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:28, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There also appears to be significant coverage (maybe only of the perpetrator? I can't tell, he had some notability as a creator outside of the crime. it covers the game development which due to timing i believe may intersect with the murder) in Designers & Dragons by Shannon Appelcline. So keep probably. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a relatively lengthy description of the circumstances surrounding the murder in a debate on gun rights from 2013 as an example of lasting coverage [43] Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 03:40, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also several paragraphs from the NYT in 2013. [44] PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:47, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Seattle Times and NYT articles on the gun control debate that you cite aren't significant coverage – there are only a couple paragraphs dedicated to the crime. Bridget (talk) 03:59, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What do you define as "significant coverage"? Per WP:SIGCOV it is "more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." I'd say several paragraphs counts, yeah. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:06, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These are both lengthy articles that briefly touch upon multiple crimes, including Batten's murder, alongside each other. They do not look to me like they "[address] the topic directly and in detail" per WP:SIGCOV. Bridget (talk) 04:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Touching upon multiple crimes doesn't have much effect on whether it is sigcov. Criminology books regularly cover multiple crimes and that doesn't make the coverage not sigcov. A sentence is plainly a trivial mention, a short paragraph is not enough, I think multiple paragraphs is sigcov... It definitely does address the topic directly and in detail. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the results of the previous AFD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph and Melissa Batten. BOZ (talk) 05:45, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per above. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:39, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the sources found by PARAKANYAA and Anonrfjwhuikdzz, especially McNamara (2014–2015). Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 16:04, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of cities in Missouri

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Same reason as "List of villages in Missouri". Notaoffensivename (talk) 02:43, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: For legal reasons, mergers are almost never reasons to delete due to the need to retain attributions. I don't have much of an opinion beyond that at this time. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep perfectly valid navigational list, and the merge target is the worst article of the three proposed. The "proposed merge" was not a formal merge discussion, either. SportingFlyer T·C 07:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't a merge be more appropriate? There should be two lists: List of municipalities, and List of census-designated places. Those two are comprehensive and do not overlap. Mattximus (talk) 13:49, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect The gallery and lead info should be retained, but List of municipalities in Missouri provides the exact same navigational information. The highlighting of county seats is also nice, but there doesn't have to be a separate duplicative page here. Reywas92^Talk 15:10, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Nothing wrong in keeping the list of cities of a state. NavjotSR (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The point is that there is a list of cities in the municipalities list... Reywas92^Talk 16:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/Merge, this is a valid and standard list for U.S. states, but the existing List of municipalities in Missouri seems best to house this.--IndyNotes (talk) 16:47, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of villages in Missouri

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Already merged with "List of Municipalities in Missouri". Notaoffensivename (talk) 02:42, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: For legal reasons, mergers are almost never reasons to delete due to the need to retain attributions. Even at that, a {{Being merged}} tag was removed from this list last year by Nythar (talk · contribs) saying no such consensus exists (in reference to the proposed merger). (For what it's worth, a similar tag was not removed from the list of cities in Missouri, which the nominator has also proposed to delete.) It would not surprise me if this nomination ends up not leading to anything, but at this time have little opinion beyond that. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep perfectly valid navigational list, and the merge target is the worst article of the three proposed. SportingFlyer T·C 07:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Villages are by no means so different that they should be listed separately from the list of all municipalities. This is purely redundant and serves no purpose, List of municipalities in Missouri provides the exact same navigation but with data that isn't just bulleted blue links. You should merge the lead info as well. Reywas92^Talk 15:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Habromania

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Fails WP: GNG; subject has lack of significant coverage online, with only a single article from an unknown reliability website being passable. Other sources include the game's profile in reputable sources like IGN which include no significant coverage other than a single trailer. Other sources includes the game's website (primary source), an Instagram link (removed) and a marketplace link to a soft toy associated with the game. The game does not display sufficient notability and significant coverage to warrant its article. MimirIsSmart (talk) 02:41, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. No reason for there to be an article about a game that's three (or four) years out with little coverage. Notaoffensivename (talk) 02:51, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per MimirIsSmart and Notaoffensivename's rationales. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 15:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hannah Clover

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Redirect to Wikimedian of the Year. I am not persuaded that the The Guardian source is enough to meet WP:GNG/WP:BLP1E nor be able to actually create a biography. I am unable to find anything else online to add to the sources already present in the article. The existing article isn't really a biography, but rather a brief recap of her edit history. The existing detail can be (and for the most part is) covered in the list Wikimedian of the Year. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 02:40, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Wikimedian of the Year, not enough coverage to establish notability, fails WP:GNG. jolielover♥talk 06:47, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@JackFromWisconsin: Did you look at the other two sources in the article? The three combined make up the GNG coverage, it's not just The Guardian. One is from a magazine, the other is a newspaper. The magazine gives the coverage outside of WP:BLP1E because they wrote the article this March. While they definitely bring up the point that I was awarded Wikimedian of the Year, the piece is not substantially about that, and goes into significant detail about my editing in general. It currently meets the threshold of Wikipedia:What BLP1E is not. The author was a journalist that happened to attend a meetup I went to this January with the intention of covering it for their magazine, and we had no interactions before that.
There's significant coverage of me in all three sources. They're reliable and they're all independent. I agree that other than that I'm relatively low profile, but I have no issues with a biography if one exists. I nominated the article for deletion myself the first time around (which was two sentences for people new to the discussion and right after I won the award) when there was only the PelhamToday source. There was a bunch of !keep votes then on the basis on WP:ANYBIO. My rationale was mainly based on notability grounds in that I didn't meet GNG at the time. I personally think I do now.
By the way, I really should have been officially notified about this AfD. No one left a talk page message or even a ping. I also think that if source analysis and notability debates are the type of thing one is passionate about, there's lots of articles at List of Wikipedia people that have much weaker sourcing than this one. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While I'm at it, everyone from the previous AfD should probably be notified. I'm obviously aware of it so no need to tell myself. Courtesy notice to Dclemens1971, Another Believer, Lajmmoore, Reywas92, Elli, Md Joni Hossain, Carrite, Hemiauchenia, Yngvadottir, Iggy pop goes the weasel, Rjjiii, Barkeep49, Ipigott, Hey man im josh, ScottishFinnishRadish, Randy Kryn, Szmenderowiecki, BennyOnTheLoose, Tuhin, Schazjmd, Let'srun, Just Step Sideways, Ahri Boy, MAL MALDIVE, Queen of Hearts, JPxG, BusterD, Sohom Datta, Nadzik, David Eppstein, Red-tailed hawk, and Balph Eubank. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
fix pings to @মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন and @Beeblebrox charlotte ^👸♥ 07:14, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update – I have personally changed my mind after the discovery that CanCulture is a student source (missed that beforehand) per WP:RSSM. That makes what would be 3 SIGCOV reliable sources into 2, which isn't really enough for a standalone article from my perspective. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect and salt per above. One source is not enough. Just wait for more news sources to cover the subject. Ahri Boy (talk) 09:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, The Guardian coverage, combined with local news reports, creates an accurate portrait of a young Wikipedian who has taken to editing the encyclopedia as a service to humanity. The sources meet GNG, although there should be much more coverage if the Foundation public relations department were on task and realized that promoting the Wikimedian of the Year is a perfect opportunity to connect Wikipedia with its readers through interviews and public appearances. This would reach young and older readers who would otherwise think of Wikipedia as a public utility, like a sidewalk or the telephone (it's always there, no need to wonder where it came from or who created it). Some dismiss articles about Wikipedia as something called "navel gazing" without taking into account that the project itself is notable, present, and necessary in everyday life. The Wikimedian of the Year's recipients receive enough media to justify yearly articles, and Clover's is simply a page about the recent winner of an encyclopedically-worthy award. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:51, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This argument veers into speculation of what Wikimedia Foundation 'should' be doing; decisions should be made based on what coverage currently exists, not what should exist. There aren't multiple, independent articles on the subject. My little source review:
- The Guardian article: One small paragraph about Clover, mentions she is the youngest 'Wikimedian of the year' and 75% of her edits were on a mobile device. This source isn't completely independent since she was interviewed by the article's author, and is a small mention in the article overall.
- CanCulture: Small, independent magazine, interview with her; not independent.
- Pelham today: Local news site, article is dedicated to her.
- Wikipedia user profile: well... don't need to explain this one, it's a primary source that doesn't establish notability.
What many people think of Wikipedia is irrelevant when it comes to an AFD about notability, and from the sources, there is a clear lack of it. jolielover♥talk 10:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I personally wouldn't say the CanCulture source is an interview. It includes some quotes from me, but it's not similar to anything I've seen counted as an interview in AfDS before. Those are usually more Q&A like in nature. I agree that an AfD isn't nessecarily the best place for speculation on what the WMF should be doing, and if PR-based sources existed they wouldn't really count towards notability anyways. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:14, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The PelhamToday source is completely about me and is about 11 small paragraphs. The Guardian piece dedicates 2 of its 7 paragraphs to me and provides a bit more detail than suggested above, specifically about how I'm a younger editor and also that I used to edit on my work breaks at McDonald's. CanCulture dedicates about 46 lines to me. I also dispute that it isn't independent simply because it quotes me. I say lines rather than paragraphs but there's a lot of line breaks and I didn't want to mischaracterize what is actually there. Then there's a fourth source that covers me (an interview with BBC Techlife that was briefly mentioned in the last AfD), but as an actual interview it wouldn't count towards notability at all. I'll also mention that the PelhamToday source is technically a republished version of a ThoroldToday source (not cited in the article and not included as part of the 3 that contribute to GNG) and that the brief quotes included in the piece are the journalist quoting me from the awards ceremony (which was uploaded to YouTube). I didn't actually talk to him. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but there's still hardly enough to establish notability as of yet. Like I said, CanCulture is a really small independent magazine, PelhamToday is a local news source, and The Guardian source isn't about Clover, focusing instead on generational gaps between editors and bringing Clover in as an example. Per WP:GNG, sources must offer "significant coverage" that goes beyond routine announcements or trivial mentions. I definitely see The Guardian's article as a trivial mention. jolielover♥talk 10:40, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose we just disagree then. I know what SIGCOV is and I think that these sources do indeed meet it. I guess time will tell what other editors think. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, "PR based" simply means that the Foundation's public relations office would put together a press kit for television, radio, press and influencer producers alerting them to the Wikimedian of the Year's availability for media interviews, and those interviews would apply as sources. If this logical action is being done on a yearly basis already, my apologies for bringing it up. Yes, The Guardian mention, combined with local and other coverage, arguably meet GNG. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(Additional Comment) I was looking at the deletion discussion for Newyorkbrad and really think that we should take better care of our BLPs, especially Wikimedia related ones. To quote 28byte of that discussion, "problems with piecing together a biographical article about someone about whom no proper biography has been written in reliable sources. You get woefully incomplete and outdated scraps of information that do not cohere into a proper, comprehensive narrative about the man’s life and career." Facing it, there is no real narrative about Clover's life written in the sources. The few sources that do exist all cover her winning the award and one goes a bit further in depth and also looks at her mobile editing.

While we're possibly at a bare minimum for an inclusionist, I think we should take more care for BLPs of our editors (if not all BLPs) and prioritize creating articles when its possible to make a decent article. Looking closer at the sources, like what User:jolielover did above, shows that what exists may not be even enough to count for notability. Currently, I feel we are a still a way off. --JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 12:18, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table prepared by User:Rjjiii
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.pelhamtoday.ca/local-news/niagara-resident-named-wikimedian-of-the-year-9371669	The majority of the article is about the subject and not quoting them.	Pelham Today is a local newspaper.	The article is about the subject.	✔ Yes
https://canculturemag.com/literary/the-toronto-wikiclub-finds-value-in-the-citys-diversity/	The majority of the article is about the subject's group and not quoting the subject.	CanCulture "is a student publication (... that ...) promotes the Canadian arts and culture niche to the rest of the country and the world."	Multiple paragraphs about the subject.	? Unknown
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/12/wikipedia-generation-z-young-editors-chatbots	The article provides in-depth secondary coverage of one organization where the subject volunteers.	The Guardian is a newspaper of record.	Two paragraphs about the subject (24% of the article).	? Unknown
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keep as I said the previsou discussion, Wikimedian of the Year is a serious international award, and I would suggest that being a recipient is enough for notability Lajmmoore (talk) 14:23, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I missed that it was a student publication. Hmm. That does change my mental gauge of things a bit. I will say that the Guardian article is fairly short to begin with, so two paragraphs is slightly under half the piece. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:28, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the percent of characters, 24% (1492/6270), to the chart. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 14:59, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that's a good idea. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Percent of text doesn't matter. If there was a 200 page book, and something got two pages in it, that would count. Also, the Toronto WikiClub at One Yonge Community Centre has no connection to Toronto Metropolitan University, so I don't see why CanCulture can't count towards notability. I don't see any indication it's not reliable for this subject. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect "Wikimedian of the year" is not that significant of an award. I still don't think the sourcing is good enough to warrant a standalone article. Local news coverage of local people counts much less for notability than coverage in high profile national newspapers. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect I don't think enough has substantively changed since the last AFD to justify an article – the coverage is not in-depth enough or with a wide enough audience. Our own organization's award is by no means well-known and anyone who asserts it passes ANYBIO is wildly overestimating our significance and reach, regardless of the fact that people from many countries have received it and we think our colleagues deserve recognition. Reywas92^Talk 14:42, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reywas92, kindly pointing out that instead of others "overestimating our significance and reach" that you may be underestimating it? Wikipedia as a cultural phenomena built on existing and expanding technology is a significant influence that explains available information in a unique and important way. To pick one person out of the pool of editors to honor as a named example of its production is backed up by the notability of its, amazingly to many, ongoing existence without falling prey to the IP vandals. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If that wasn't clear, it's overestimating the significance and reach of internal activities like volunteer awards, not the encyclopedia as a whole...and its contributors, even the best ones, do not inherit the project/organization's notability or influence. Reywas92^Talk 15:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, the 'our' caught me in its all-or-nothing trap. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's important to be humble and be cautious when writing about Wikimedia topics. Yes, our website is incredible and the way we've been able to build an encyclopedia free to all is amazing. But we also need to be realistic and not give ourselves undue attention. Let other publications do the talking. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 15:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing undue about viewing Wikipedia objectively. I'll try to not to unduly comment in this discussion again though. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Wikimedian of the Year per jolielover and their source analysis. Fails WP:GNG. Some1 (talk) 16:45, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Wikimedian of the Year as was done last August. This Guardian article tells us next to nothing new since the last AfD resulted in a redirect. I don't see how it contributes in any meaningful way towards notability of a living person. - The literary leader of the age ✉ 17:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Barely passes GNG. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. I'll admit to having felt uncomfortable about this page since it was (re)created, but I didn't want to stir up a fuss. Given that the editor whom the page is about now says above that she has changed her own "mental gauge" about notability, I think we should be cautious about keeping a standalone page. Like other editors, I feel that we have to be careful with BLPs about Wikipedia editors. Partly, this is because it can get too easy for us to create and keep such pages out of good will, even when the amount of independent coverage would tend not to support a BLP about someone active at some other website. I think that is the case here. Perhaps she will become a notable (by our definition) person in the future, but we don't know that yet. I'm not seeing enough independent sourcing to support a standalone bio. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:48, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with three independent reliable secondary sources which together offer significant coverage. I don’t see where policy states that established university newspapers and magazines don’t count towards notability as long as they are independent of the subject. IMO this article meets WP:BASIC. Nnev66 (talk) 20:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, The Story!

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Non-notable indie band. The only (possibly) non-primary source in this article is a thread on now-defunct website “AbsolutePunk”, which doesn’t seem to be archived anywhere. Since AbsolutePunk had a forum section, it’s also possible that the post was user-generated rather than official content, which would make it unreliable. (If anyone can confirm this or figure out what the post was, let me know)

Cannot find evidence of WP:SIGCOV, and seems to fail WP:NMUSIC ApexParagon (talk) 02:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete There a passing mention here calling the subject a local band. There does not appear to be sufficient evidence available to meet WP:BAND. ResonantDis_tortion 09:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Electric Avenue (band)

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Seems to be just a cover band. Sources listed in article are all local, routine coverage. After a google search, not seeing enough sources to justify WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 01:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Miguel Jaime

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The current sources are primary and while a BEFORE found coverage at [[45]], student newspapers generally aren't considered as being independent. Let'srun (talk) 01:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jake Feener

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV from reliable secondary sources to meet the WP:GNG. The current sources in the article are all primary and a search elsewhere didn't come up with anything that could be used to have the notability guidelines be met. Let'srun (talk) 01:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kordel Davis

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Rejected CSD A7 and contested PROD. This article appears to have issues around WP:BLP1E. Davis has received coverage related to the Penn State fraternity hazing scandal but does not appear to be independently notable. Discussion of his music career is sourced only to retailers where his music has been published. Discussion of his activist work is sourced to articles that either don't mention him; make very brief mention without significant coverage, when discussing a different topic; or articles written by Davis himself. It seems like this would best be covered with a redirect to Penn State fraternity hazing scandal. hinnk (talk) 01:09, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ranald Leask

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We're not Linkedin and I can't find sigcov. Jay Cubby 00:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:BEFORE search finds close to no sources on him, all just brief mentions from over a decade ago. Fails WP:GNG. jolielover♥talk 06:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

American Sailing

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While American Sailing does offer training sources, this sailing program fails WP:NORG. GTrang (talk) 00:35, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - significant oorganization that sets a nationwide standard. Rochambeau1783 (talk) 02:12, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete I have not found any secondary sources that back up the claims made in the article (i.e. that it is the predominant standards bearer for sailing the Americas). World Sailing seems to be the international body that actually sets standards for the sport, and US Sailing is the member org for the united states. Article seems more promotional to direct people to schools from American sailing which I expect is how they make their money. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 15:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dastan Satpayev

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Contested draftification. The only coverage of this football player I can find are trivial announcements that he'll be joining Chelsea and run-of-the-mill stories about his scoring in particular games. The Forbes article appears to be unreliable per WP:FORBESCON. Note that NFOOTY has been explicitly repealed by consensus of the community. See Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Sports notability#202203070648_Wugapodes_2 and Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 49#Association football (soccer). voorts (talk/contributions) 00:17, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I already cited the most no. of sources and citations in Eng than other language versions, even more than the Kazakh version. Also included sourves from Kazakhstan FA and FC Kairat, please consider those. Chelsdog (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep International player, loads of sources on google, did you bother with a WP:BEFORE, [46], [47], [48]. Terrible nomination in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 08:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did you read the part of my nom where I said all of the sources I could find are trivial coverage or run of the mill stories about his transfer to Chelsea? voorts (talk/contributions) 14:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per above. Svartner (talk) 12:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table prepared by User:voorts
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Forbes		WP:FORBESCON		? Unknown
Football Talent Scout		SPS. See about page.		✘ No
Astana Times	Independent of the subject, but not independent in the sense that this is a Kazakh-government run paper that has a vested interest in promoting Kazakhstan. See Special:PermanentLink/1059226246#Kazakh-government funded outlets.	See comment on independence.	Run-of-the-mill announcement about transfer. Not significant because participation does not equal notability.	✘ No
Vesti 1		No clear editorial standards and no author listed on article.	One sentence about the article subject.	✘ No
Vesti 2	?	No clear editorial standards and no author listed on article.	Trivial coverage about a single game.	✘ No
Vesti 3		No clear editorial standards and no author listed on article.	Largely trivial coverage about a single game, but tries to situate this into a potential record that the player hasn't actually broken.	? Unknown
Kazinform	English translation of press release. See following entry in chart.		Run-of-the-mill press release about moving to Chelsea.	✘ No
FC Kairat	Official team site.		Run-of-the-mill press release about moving to Chelsea.	✘ No
Chelsea Chronicle	Fan site.	~~Fan site, but claims to be run by journalists; no clear editorial standar ds].~~ Editorial standards here		? Unknown
The Standard			Run-of-the-mill story about transfer to Chelsea.	✘ No
KFF	Kazakhstan Football Federation website.		Participation is not sufficient for notability per the two RfCs noted in my nom.	✘ No
FC Kairat 2	Team website.		Two sentences and doesn't mention this player.	✘ No
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Source assessment confirms that the coverage is largely based on participation. Participation-based coverage is not sufficient for notability based on the two RfCs linked to in the nom. If footy editors want that changed, they're welcome to go start another RfC at NSPORTS. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:39, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Sources are too trivial/routine. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Randall (footballer)

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Played once professionally. We could redirect to 2010–11 Aldershot Town F.C. season as he is mentioned there. RossEvans19 (talk) 00:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per above to 2010–11 Aldershot Town F.C. season, I tried to have a look to see if he did anything after being release from Aldershot, but see nothing. Very similar to other AfD Mark Wright (footballer, born 1981). Couldn't see any coverage after release. Govvy (talk) 08:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 16:55, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]